Gillow, Richard | Day 11
No indemnity against prosecution. Testified that he received no money at all and used his own. One of three people the Commissioners named in their report who expended their own money in bribery for the Liberals. Have shown here that he spent £80 but unclear whether he was reimbursed. He said he expected to be. Gave £60 to Joseph Nowers who gave £5 to 11 men and kept £5 for himself. Initially denied giving out any more but two people subsequently testified and he was recalled to explain.
Witness Type: Briber, No Indemnity, Treater
Party: Liberal
Other Days The Witness Was Called On: Day 14
Witness Testimony:
- 13199.
Can you give us any of them ? — I do not know anyone for certain.
- 13200.
Tell us whom you think ? — Of course, I do not know if he gave it away.
- 13201.
Who did he tell you he had given it to when he told you he had got some persons ? — The men who worked with him ; the hands at the oil mills.
- 13202.
This was to distribute amongst the men at the oil mills who worked with him ? — Yes.
- 13203.
Can you remember the names of the men he mentioned to you ? — There was a man named Page ; that is all I remember.
- 13204.
Do you know his Christian name ? — No
- 13205.
Is that the only one you can remember ? — The fact is I know who worked at the oil mills but I do not think he told me who they were.
- 13206.
You have no doubt, I suppose, that he could give the names of them ? — No doubt.
- 13207.
You have no reason to suppose that he is not there ? — I am pretty well certain that he is there.
- 13208.
What is his Christian name ? — I do not know.
- 13209.
Do you know his private address ? — Strand Street, and I am told that his Christian name is Joseph.
- 13210.
Have you paid away any money ? — Oh, yes.
- 13211.
To whom ? — I do not know ; I paid a lot away for refreshments, and all that sort of thing.
- 13212.
When did you pay this money to Nowers ? — I do not know.
- 13213.
Was it before the election ? — Two or three days ; I will not say exactly because I do not remember, but I think it was two days.
- 13214.
At all events some days before the polling day ? — Yes.
- 13215.
Did anybody suggest it to you ; did you have any conversation with anybody about this ? — Yes.
- 13216.
Who ? — Mr. Terry.
- 13217.
What is his Christian name ? — Edward Terry.
- 13218.
Where does he live ? — Strand Street, Sandwich.
- 13219.
Did you have any conversation with anyone else ? — No, I did not say a word to anyone else about it.
- 13220.
Did you have any conversation with anybody at all about it ? — No.
- 13221.
Did anybody besides Terry know that you were going to do this ? — No, no one I think.
- 13222.
You expected to be repaid, did you not ? — Yes.
- 13223.
By whom ? — Sir Julian Goldsmid.
- 13224.
What led you to expect that ? — Because I thought he wanted to win the election.
- 13225.
Did anything occur between you and him, or between you and anybody ? — No, I was working entirely on my own account ; I had nothing to do with anyone.
- 13226.
Had you any conversation with Sir Julian Goldsmid about this money ? — Not about this money.
- 13227.
Or any money ? — No.
- 13228.
About your spending money to get votes ? — No.