Outwin, John Thomas | Day 3

In his testimony he admitted that apart from hiring committee rooms in numerous public houses he also hired rooms in one or two private houses. George Hayward the hairdresser at 123 (now 81) Beach Street was one such although he wasn’t called as a witness.

Witness Type: Briber, Treater

Party: Liberal

Witness Testimony:

  • 2781.

    What house does Mr. Redman keep ; do you know ? — The ” Rose and Crown,”

  • 2782.

    Then there is Mr. Bishop, 12L. ? — I do not remember who that is just at the moment.

  • 2783.

    Then A. R. Willey, 5L. ? — He is a painter.

  • 2784.

    Where does he live ? — In Beach Street.

  • 2785.

    Then there is Norris again, 8L. ; is that one of the other Norris’s ? — That would be the same one ; one or the other of them, I could not say which.

  • 2786.

    They came to you once or twice ? — Yes, several times. According as they got more people they came for money.

  • 2787.

    Pettit, 3L. ; he is a voter himself, I suppose ? Yes, he would be sure to be a voter, or he would not have the money.

  • 2788.

    He seems to have been contented with 3L. ? — Yes ; but he expected the other. I think he had some more besides ; he expects the other at all events.

  • 2789.

    Where does Mr. Pettit live ? — I do not know at all where he lives. I fancy he used to be a policeman.

  • 2790.

    Theobald ; where does he live ? —I do not know where he lives.

  • 2791.

    Do you know his Christian name ? — No.

  • 2792.

    5L. he had ? — Yes.

  • 2793.

    Do you not remember where he lives ? — No, I do not know where he lives.

  • 2794.

    Do you know what trade he is ? — Yes, he is at the “Brewery.”

  • 2795.

    Then there is COMMITTEE ROOMS, 54L., and then sundry amounts as per book, 35L. 15s. They are in this list, but there are several hieroglyphics ? — You will find the cypher on one side, and the plain the other.

  • 2796.

    The figures are the explanation ? — Yes. On the left hand side you will find the explanation.

  • 2797.

    Joe Brown, he had 9L. ? — You will find all that is in the detailed account which you had before. Those were paid on the day of the election.

  • 2798.

    Do you mean these amounts are the same as in that list ? — Yes, there are a lot of small amounts not entered in that sheet. You will find them all under 5 ?.

  • 2799.

    There is Cavell 2L. ; what was that for ? — That was for his vote no doubt.

  • 2800.

    Then there is Mr. Norris, but he will be in the other sheet.

  • 2801.

    Then there is Mr. Budd 3L., I do not think he is down here ? — No, he would not be down very likely.

  • 2802.

    Who is he ? — I do not know who he is.

  • 2803.

    I daresay we shall find him in the register of voters ? — Yes, he is sure to be down there.

  • 2804.

    Do you happen to know his Christian name ? — No.

  • 2805.

    Then there is Mr. Redsull, per Lee, 3L. ? — Lee would pay that amount to him.

  • 2806.

    Who is Mr. Redsull ? —I do not know, there are several of them, I do not know who it would be.

  • 2807.

    Mr. Flanders, per Mr. Lee 3L. ; who is Mr. Flanders ? — I do not know who he is.

  • 2808.

    You gave the money to Mr. Lee, and Mr. Lee gave them the money ? — Just so.

  • 2809.

    I see there is 12L. on this account down to Lee. Would that 12L. include this amount do you know ? —I do not know, but I should think it would.

  • 2810.

    What happened was this, that Lee came to you and asked you for 3L. for Flanders ? — As they asked for money they received it as long as it lasted.