Outwin, John Thomas | Day 3
In his testimony he admitted that apart from hiring committee rooms in numerous public houses he also hired rooms in one or two private houses. George Hayward the hairdresser at 123 (now 81) Beach Street was one such although he wasn’t called as a witness.
Party: Liberal
Witness Testimony:
- 2721.
He was to distribute that as he thought proper ? — Yes, according to his own discretion.
- 2722.
May I take it that all these sums in the list were distributed by you on the Monday evening ? — No, some on the next morning. We had to sit up all night to go through the list. There were many names came in, but they were not on the register at all, so we had to analyse them as they came in, and then pay in accordance with the voting.
- 2723.
Chittenden, 27L. Who is Mr. Chittenden and where does he live ? — He is a builder ; he lives in Beach Street
- 2724.
Did he give you a list ? — Yes.
- 2725.
That you handed over, I suppose, in the same way ? — I think so.
- 2726.
Reynolds. 15L. ? — Yes, there were three names there.
- 2727.
Gibbons, 36L. Who is Mr. Gibbons ? — A builder.
- 2728.
Did he give you a list ? — Yes.
- 2729.
What sort of sum did each voter get ? — The price we wanted to give them was 3L each, and the remainder afterwards, but a good many of them were too artful ; they would not take the 3L., they would have 5L. ; that was the recognised price.
- 2730.
3L. is what you wanted to give them, but some wanted a little more ? — Some would have 4L. and some would not move without 5L. They said they ought to have the same as the PUBLIC-HOUSES, which was 5L.
- 2731.
Finnis, 48L. Who is Mr. Finnis ? — He is a tavern-keeper in Beach Street, the “Fox” inn.
- 2732.
He gave you a list too, I suppose ? — Yes, 16 voters. That list I gave Mr. Lewis’s agent, because they wanted particular boatmen.
- 2733.
Philpott Where does Mr. Philpott live ? — I forget ; I cannot remember who that is at the moment. Is that 12L. ?
- 2734.
Yes ; Philpott, 12L ? — I do not remember just now what it was. I can ascertain who it is.
- 2735.
I daresay you will be able to remember by-and- bye ? — Yes.
- 2736.
Brown, 129L. Then there are put three sums, 30L., 75L., and 34L Did he have it in three different sums ? — He would have it as you see it there.
- 2737.
Did he get that the same evening or the next morning, or partly at one time and partly at another ? — The principal portion was given to him on the following morning, the morning of the election.
- 2738.
He gave you a list, of course, as they were largish sums ? — Yes.
- 2739.
What is he ? — He is a farmer and market gardener.
- 2740.
Norris, 45L. ? — I think you will find there are two Norris’s.
- 2741.
Yes, there are two Norris’s ; one is 45L. and the other is 30L. ; who are they ? — One of them is a carpenter ; he lives in Wellington road ; and the other is in the employment of Mr. Cullen, an ironmonger here. I do not know which is the 45L. and which is the 30L.
- 2742.
They gave you lists, I suppose ? — Yes, we would not pay the money without.
- 2743.
Harris, 26L ; that is in one sum of 15L. and one sum of 11L. ? — Yes, that is right.
- 2744.
I suppose, having given you a list, he brought other names and said, “I have so many more people” ? — No, I had not sufficient money to pay them all at once, so I had to get a fresh instalment.
- 2745.
I thought you got the 1,130L. in one sum ? — No, not all at once ; it was all the same day, but at different periods of the day.
- 2746.
(The Witness) For instance, the last amount I did not get until about 11 or 12 o’clock at night .
- 2747.
Did you send two or three times to Mr. Edwards ? — Yes.
- 2748.
As you wanted more money you kept sending ? — Yes.
- 2749.
They kept coming in and you kept sending to Mr. Edwards to get more money as you wanted it ? — Yes.
- 2750.
Hancock, 3L. Who is Mr. Hancock ? — He is a fly proprietor.