Outwin, John Thomas | Day 3
In his testimony he admitted that apart from hiring committee rooms in numerous public houses he also hired rooms in one or two private houses. George Hayward the hairdresser at 123 (now 81) Beach Street was one such although he wasn’t called as a witness.
Party: Liberal
Witness Testimony:
- 2691.
Did Mr. Woodman bring that money down from London ? — No, he had nothing at all to do with that.
- 2692.
Did Mr. Edwards tell you where the money came from ? — No.
- 2693.
All Mr. Edwards told you was that he would have money ? — Just so.
- 2694.
You have told us you got this money, and I think you were on the point of telling me to whom you distributed it. Is this the list ? — That is the list.
- 2695.
1,136L. 10s. 6d., I see the total is ? — That is about it.
- 2696.
It is headed “Amounts paid.” Lambert and Marsh per Warner, 150L Who are Lambert and Marsh ? — They are two Deal boatmen.
- 2697.
And who is Warner ? — A pilot
- 2698.
You gave Warner 150L. to give to Lambert and to Marsh ? — Yes, I knew he wanted it. I knew that was the amount agreed upon to pay Warner, so I gave it to him, and he took it to them.
- 2699.
You had agreed with Lambert and Marsh beforehand ? — I had not, but Warner had.
- 2700.
I suppose that had been arranged before the Monday ? — Yes, the day before probably.
- 2701.
That they were to have 150L. ? — Yes.
- 2702.
You knew therefore before the Monday that there would be money wanted, and you made arrangements ? — Yes, it was the day before, I think. I would not be quite positive, but it was a very short time before.
- 2703.
You arranged with Lambert and Marsh that they were to have 150L. ? — I did not myself personally. Warner arranged with them. I knew what the arrangement was ; of course he told me.
- 2704.
And you gave Warner the money ? — Yes.
- 2705.
What were Lambert and Marsh to do with it, to distribute it ? — They were to distribute it among a number of voters.
- 2706.
Did you know the names of the voters ? — No, I did not. I gave the list to Mr. Lewis’s agents.
- 2707.
Upon what date did you give this 150L. to Warner to give to Lambert and Marsh ? — On Monday, about six or seven o’clock in the evening. It was the Monday previous to the election. The election was on the Tuesday, and I gave it to him on the previous Monday.
- 2708.
It was all in sovereigns, I suppose ? — Yes, all in gold.
- 2709.
W. Watts, 50L. Who is Mr. Watts ? — He keeps the “Railway ” Tavern, just opposite the station gate.
- 2710.
Was that money which he was to distribute ? — Yes.
- 2711.
Did you give him that on the Monday previous to the election ? — On the Monday.
- 2712.
Did you know to what men he was going to give it ? — Yes.
- 2713.
Did he give you a list of the names ? — He gave a list of the names. He run through the register to see that all the names were on it, and they were then passed on to the COMMITTEE ROOM.
- 2714.
Did Lambert and Marsh give Warner a list of the names of persons they were going to distribute the money to ? — Yes.
- 2715.
Have you that list; I gave it to Mr. Lewis’s agent during the petition inquiry ; there were several of them.
- 2716.
You gave it to Mr. George Lewis’s agent who was down here ? — Yes, we wanted to elect our man, and instead of having the people we bribed we wanted to get the others. They brought some names to him. I knew the people we had hold of and it was no use summoning them.
- 2717.
There was a list made out by Lambert and Marsh of the persons to whom they were going to give money, and also a list of the people to whom Watts was going to give money ? — Quite so.
- 2718.
F. Warner, 25L. I suppose that is the same Mr. Warner ? — Yes.
- 2719.
He was to distribute that, I suppose ? — Yes.
- 2720.
Did he give you a list ? — No, no list at alL