Ramell, John Pettet | Day 4

Some discrepancy over the amount he received. Also his brother William Henry Ramell, raised concerns over whether putting up the flags was legal. An Act of Parliament had outlawed ‘colouring elections’ a quarter of a century earlier.

Mr Baldwin was paid for materials for flags.

Witness Type: Briber, Councillor / Alderman

Party: Liberal

Other Days The Witness Was Called On: Day 5

Witness Testimony:

  • 4113.

    Baldwin, for example, 35L 10s. ; have you got a bill from Baldwin showing how much was supplied for that 35L. 10s. ? — Mr. Edwards has all the bills.

  • 4114.

    Did Mr. Baldwin’s bill show what the money was for, or was it only a general charge of so much ? — No, it showed what each stuff was per yard, and what quantity he had supplied.

  • 4115.

    Then we have Kingsford, 2L. 8s. 8d. ; what is that ? — That is for cord.

  • 4116.

    Also for the flags ? — Yes, for the FLAGpoles.

  • 4117.

    Bristow, 14L 10s. ; what is that ? — That is for the hire of the poles.

  • 4118.

    Francis, 9L. 10s ?. ; what is that ? —That is another draper’s bill

  • 4119.

    Dyason, 1L. 8s. ; what is that ? —That was for fine cord for the running gear, I think.

  • 4120.

    All these bills you have paid ? — Not what you are calling over now.

  • 4121.

    I mean Baldwin, Kingsford, Bristow, Francis, and Dyason ? — No, none of those are paid.

  • 4122.

    Then Ralph, 19L. 18s. ? —That is not my account, but it went through me, that is all.

  • 4123.

    All the figures I have given you here for the flag poles, the flag pole upon the Prince of Wales terrace, the sum paid to Pockett and Hougham, the sum paid for WATCHERS, the sum paid for taking down the staffs and use of capstan, ground, and blocks, comes to 188L. 4s. ? — Yes.

  • 4124.

    And you received 208L. ? — Yes.

  • 4125.

    How was the rest of the money spent ? — I have handed in a receipt for the band, 25L.

  • 4126.

    That makes 213L. 4s. ; what was the band for ? — To liven them up upon the election day.

  • 4127.

    Who told you to engage a band ? — Mr. Edwards.

  • 4128.

    Do you say he told you to engage a band ? — Yes.

  • 4129.

    And you engaged a band for 25L. ? — Yes.

  • 4130.

    Was it a local band ? — No.

  • 4131.

    Where did you get it from ? — It came from Margate, and how l got it was this ; there was something going on there, and I sent up a man to see if they would be at liberty. I went over to Dover after one, but could not get one, and I understood that there would be some band at Margate available the next day, and I sent a man over after it.

  • 4132.

    Is 208L. all the money you received in connection with the election ? — No, that is all I received from Mr. Edwards, bat I received 36L. from Outwin.

  • 4133.

    When did you get that 36L. ? — Upon the morning of the election, I think it was.

  • 4134.

    What did you do with that money ? — I had it for the purpose of giving to nine different persons, and this (handing a paper) is the list of the nine, and the amount that they had.

  • 4135.

    Seth Snoswell, of Princes Street, 5L. ? — Yes.

  • 4136.

    Erridge, of Middle Street, 5L. ? — Yes, 123, Middle Street.

  • 4137.

    Do you know his Christian name ? — I am not sure, but I think it is Richard.

  • 4138.

    I will ask you to take this list back and add to it, if you can, out of the register the full names and addresses ? — I have given them to you all but that one, I think.

  • 4139.

    No, there is Thompsett, Alfred Square ? — It is 5, Alfred Square.

  • 4140.

    Then T. Whilmshurst, West Street, 3L., and F. Whilmshurst, Wellington Place, 3L. ? — Yes.

  • 4141.

    Then E. Mose, West Street, 3L, and his son 3L ? Yes.

  • 4142.

    I see some got 5L., others 4L., and others 3L. ? — Yes.