Ramell, John Pettet | Day 4

Some discrepancy over the amount he received. Also his brother William Henry Ramell, raised concerns over whether putting up the flags was legal. An Act of Parliament had outlawed ‘colouring elections’ a quarter of a century earlier.

Mr Baldwin was paid for materials for flags.

Witness Type: Briber, Councillor / Alderman

Party: Liberal

Other Days The Witness Was Called On: Day 5

Witness Testimony:

  • 4083.

    George Finnis for rope, 32L. 17s. 6d. ; did you pay that ? — No.

  • 4084.

    R. Gibbons, 15L. 19s. 11d. ? — That is not my account, it was merely given through me.

  • 4085.

    Pittock, 21L. 15s. 6d ? — That is not paid.

  • 4086.

    Redman, 7L. 1s. 1 1/2d. ? — That is not paid.

  • 4087.

    Thompson, 3L. 2s. 10 1/2d. ? — That is not paid.

  • 4088.

    Chittenden, 3L. 10s. ? — That is not one of mine, but put in through me.

  • 4089.

    Verrier, 1L. 7s. 8d. ? — That is not paid.

  • 4090.

    Clarabut, 7L. 7s. 6d. ? — That is not paid.

  • 4091.

    Britten, 2L. 2s. 2 1/2d. ? — That is not paid.

  • 4092.

    Nash, 2L. ? — That is what I spoke about just now.

  • 4093.

    Webb, 7L. ? — That is not paid.

  • 4094.

    Woodcock, 10s. ? — Not paid.

  • 4095.

    W. Ramell for making flags, 53L. ? — Yes ; my brother made all the flags, and the whole amount is only 53L. Every one of these flags, or nearly every one, was lettered, and you were asking about the price of letters this morning.” I should think there were from 2,000 to 3,000 letters painted on these flags, and that will give you a little idea of the work. I paid him 25L. on account.

  • 4096.

    That is Mr. W. H. Ramell ? — Yes ; and here is the receipt.

  • 4097.

    Have you got the bill of your brother’s, showing what he supplied for the 53L. ? — Mr. Edwards has, I have not.

  • 4098.

    We have not got it. Did you give it to Mr. Edwards ? — Yes. Here (producing a paper) is a list of all the bills that Mr. Edwards has, and they are not paid.

  • 4099.

    Your brother sent in an account for 53L. ? — Yes.

  • 4100.

    Did that account show in detail what was done for it ? — No, I think not ; it was for making flags, and it impossible to tell the number that was made.

  • 4101.

    Then, if I was to see it, it would tell me nothing ? — What I recollect of it, it was so much for making flags. I think that was all.

  • 4102.

    That would tell me nothing, even if I saw it, would it ; how many flags did he make, do you know ? — I should think from 300 to 400 ; quite that ; if I say between 300 and 400, it would be as near the mark as possible.

  • 4103.

    Did you order the flags from him ? — I ordered the stuff from the drapers ; I gave him orders to go and get what he wanted, and there are the accounts from the drapers.

  • 4104.

    What is your brother ? — A painter.

  • 4105.

    You gave him the stuffs to paint upon ? — Yes, I supplied him with it.

  • 4106.

    Is the 53L. for painting flags, and nothing else ? — Making them and painting them.

  • 4107.

    Did Mr. Edwards tell you to give him that order for the flags ? — No, he gave me instructions to carry the matter out; but he did not tell me to give my brother an order ; he left it in my hands to do as I liked.

  • 4108.

    Did you tell your brother how many he was to make, or what order did you give him ? — I gave him instructions to go and get what stuff he wanted, and to make as many flags as he could, and as fast as he could, because our time was short, and we were obliged to do the best we could.

  • 4109.

    I see 25L. has been paid on account; does Mr. Edwards dispute the remainder ? — No, only he has not the money yet to pay; he does not dispute it at all.

  • 4110.

    Your brother is a voter, of course ? — Yes.

  • 4111.

    I forget what you said the charge was for every letter painted upon a FLAG ? — I did not say what the charge was, but you heard this morning 9d. a letter, and it does not come to anything like that, because there were over 2,000 letters upon the different flags. There seemed to be a smile at the amount when it was stated, but I considered it a very small sum, and if we had had to send to London for them we should have had to pay 300L.

  • 4112.

    You say you went and got the materials supplied to your brother, did you buy the materials in Deal ? — You have the draper’s bills before you.