Outwin, John Thomas | Day 3
In his testimony he admitted that apart from hiring committee rooms in numerous public houses he also hired rooms in one or two private houses. George Hayward the hairdresser at 123 (now 81) Beach Street was one such although he wasn’t called as a witness.
Party: Liberal
Witness Testimony:
- 2601.
Did you engage the “White Horse” ? — Yes.
- 2602.
And the “Shark” ? — Yes.
- 2603.
Did you engage the “Park Tavern” ? — No.
- 2604.
Did you engage Pritchard’s “Eagle” ? — Yes.
- 2605.
Did you engage it for 10L. ? — No.
- 2606.
Did you make any bargain with the “Eagle” at all ? — No. I presume it was the same as the others. I took it for granted it was the same. There was some claim he sent in. I am not sure what it was ; that might perhaps make it 10L.
- 2607.
King is 5L, I think ? — Yes; he is next door to my own place.
- 2608.
What is it, a public-house ? — No, a private house.
- 2609.
You took that, did you ? — Yes; we were so crowded with people we were obliged to have a room extra.
- 2610.
In some places you took private houses instead of PUBLIC-HOUSES ? — Yes ; two or three ; we could not get enough PUBLIC-HOUSES ; they were all gone with a clean sweep.
- 2611.
What did you want private houses for ? — Merely for convenience ; we wanted rooms.
- 2612.
What for ? — Private purposes.
- 2613.
Did you use those rooms ? — Yes.
- 2614.
What for ? — For people to go into.
- 2615.
There was nothing to be got to drink there ? — No, they did not want drink ; ,it was not a question of drink; it was more a question of money than drink.
- 2616.
Then Woodward, an assistant. Did you engage Woodward ? — Woodman is it ?
- 2617.
Yes, it is ? — I did.
- 2618.
What is he ? — An auctioneer and agent at Greenwich.
- 2619.
What did you engage him for ? — Simply to come down and assist us in working the election. We wanted him more particularly for PUBLIC-HOUSES, to get the BILLS about. We had no BILLS about, and he got the BILLS out At the suggestion of Sir Julian Goldsmid, I telegraphed to Mr. Woodman to come down.
- 2620.
What did you give him ? — I did not give him anything at all. I simply telegraphed to him. My instructions were from Sir Julian himself to telegraph to Woodman to come down.
- 2621.
Did Mr. Edwards give you authority to do these things, or did you do them out of your own head ? — I had perfect liberty to work as I liked with regard to PUBLIC-HOUSES.
- 2622.
Then Mr. Edwards gave you the right to engage as many PUBLIC-HOUSES as you thought proper ? — Yes ; but I knew myself very few were to be had. A few had stuck out, but most were gone.
- 2623.
And also to engage as many private houses as you thought necessary ? — Oh no ; that was simply my own discretion.
- 2624.
Did you pay any of these things yourself ? Two have been paid, I see ; did you pay them ? — Which two ?
- 2625.
It is more than two; 54L. has been paid for PUBLIC-HOUSES ; did you pay that ? — I paid all but one or two.
- 2626.
In the same way you paid Woodman, I suppose ? —Yes.
- 2627.
17L. ? — No. I think that was guessed at. I think the real amount was 15L. 8s. The amount was guessed at; I could not exactly remember what I paid him, but I see since it was 15L. 8s.
- 2628.
But you paid that ? — I paid him.
- 2629.
Who gave you the money for it ? — I did not have the money ; I paid it myself ; I was given instructions to pay him.
- 2630.
Did you pay it out of your own pocket ? — Yes, I did.