Testimonies

Terry, Edward | Day 12

Witness Type: Other

Party: Liberal

Witness Testimony:

• 14430.

  (Mr. Holl.) What are you ? — I am a hop merchant. 

• 14431.

  Do you reside at Sandwich ?  — Yes, and I have an office in London. 

• 14432.

  Did you receive any money from any one to expend in connexion with the election ? — No, nothing whatever.  

• 14433.

  Did you spend anything ? — I did not spend a penny. 

• 14434.

  You and Mr. Gillow talked matters over ? — Yes. I should have taken no part whatever in the election, but Mr. Gillow came to me a few days before, and told me that Sir Julian Goldsmid was coming down to contest the borough, and that he was a very good sort of man, and asked me if I would take an interest in the election, and I said, “Yes, I do not mind trying to get you a few voters” ; upon which he said, “How do you think your men will go at the mills” ; and I said, “No doubt they will want a little paying. I hear there is money upon the other side, but I will send for my man and hear what he can do.” I sent for him and he came and he said he thought he could get about 12 men for 60L. 

• 14435.

  That is Nowers ? — Yes ; he said he thought they would want about 60L., that is 5L. a-piece, and with that Mr. Gillow arranged to let him have it. 

• 14436.

  You were aware that that money was paid to Nowers ?  — Yes, I was quite aware of it. 

• 14437.

  Was any other money at all paid to anyone either by you, or with your knowledge ? — I did not spend a 6d. myself or treat anybody ; in fact I was generally away from home every day, and did not take any interest. 

• 14438.

  Are there any other moneys that you are aware of having been spent ? — I know nothing of my own personal knowledge. 

• 14439.

  But anything you have heard ? — I could not say, because I have heurd so many things. 

• 14440.

  I must ask you to be a little more definite than that. I think you know of other moneys having been paid to different people ? — I really do not know of any other money having been paid to a single individual of my own personal knowledge. I saw this money pass, and I only heard of other moneys being passed. 

• 14441.

  Are you not aware yourself. I do not mean that you paid it with your own hand ; of other moneys having been paid to other people, besides the 60L. given to Nowers to divide amongst your men ? — No, I have not. 

• 14442.

  (Mr. Jeune.) You do not know now ? — No, not now, nor at any other time. I did not take any part in it.

• 14443.

  That is not the question ?  — You ask me whether I knew of anybody who had received any money besides this man, and I say I do not know a single man. I did not see any money pass. 

• 14444.

  Do you know at this present moment of any other money being paid to any man ? — No, nor any other moment. 

• 14445.

  Did you know of any money being paid to William Farrier ? — I do not know him. I have heard of him, but I have not spoken to him. 

• 14446.

  Do you know whether any money was paid to him, or not ? — I do not know at all ; in fact, as I have said, I am away from home every day, and it was only upon the morning of the election that I stayed at home and went into the COMMITTEE ROOM, and then for the first time saw Sir Julian Goldsmid and spoke to him. 

• 14447.

  Did you give any money to a gentleman of the name of Brett ? — He is the captain of one of my father’s barges. 

• 14448.

  Did you give any money to him ? — I think he is one mentioned in Nower’s list I did not give him a penny. 

• 14449.

  If he is not one of the 12 bribed by Nowers did you give him anything, or do you know of his having anything ? — I do not know of my own personal knowledge that he had anything else ; in fact, I did not give anybody anything, Nowers had it to distribute. 

• 14450.

  Besides what Nowers had to distribute are you aware of anything having been paid to Brett ? — I did hear that he had some money from the other side, but I really do not know whether it is true or not It is only hearsay. 

• 14451.

  Did you hear that he had any other money upon your side except what he got from Nowers ? — No. 

• 14452.

  You think that he was one of Nower’s list ? — Yes, I believe so. 

• 14453.

  Did you call upon any other persons to ask them for their votes besides your own men that Nowers dealt with ? — I might have spoken to people about the town to ask them to vote for Sir Julian Goldsmid upon the morning of the election, but, as I have said, I took no interest. 

• 14454.

  Upon that morning did you offer any of the persons who you canvassed any money ? — No, not a penny. 

• 14455.

  Did you tell them it would be all right if they voted for Sir Julian Goldsmid ? — I do not think I did. I could not say whether I did or not. 

• 14456.

  Did you make promises to persons ? — I do not think I made a single promise to a single individual. I asked them to vote for Sir Julian Goldsmid. 

• 14457.

  You know what I mean ? — Yes, I perfectly understand what you mean. 

• 14458.

  Did you hold out any inducement to anyone to vote for Sir Julian Goldsmid ? — No, I did not. In fact I should not have taken any part in the election but for Mr. Gillow, a brewer in Sandwich, being a very good customer of mine, and I thought I would take a little interest in it for his sake. I knew nothing of Sir Julian Goldsmid only from report, and that report I heard was very bad. I heard that he was a mean man, and a very unpopular man in his district, and that is the reason why, I believe, he polled so few votes. I do not think that Sir Julian ought to have all the say in the matter. He says it is a disgrace to represent the borough, but my opinion is that he is a disgrace to it. 

• 14459.

  I must ask you to attend to the questions. I understand you to say you do not know of any other money being spent in Sandwich in bribery except this 60L. ? — Nothing whatever.